My life, a little at a time.

Category: Religion (page 1 of 4)

A glimpse into my “spiritual” journey. For lack of a better word.

I have memories from when I was very young (3 or so), being in a united pentecostal church and seeing a vision of while I was sleeping on a pew in church. The women were praying to cast out a demon from a man at the front of the church and I saw a man leave this man’s body and the women follow him all the way outside while they were “casting him out” and caused him to leave. I asked my mom about it later and she had no idea what I was talking about.
 
At about 5 years old, my mom and father got a divorce and my mom “backslid”. fast forward to age 13. On my 13th birthday party I had a few friends over and we got drunk, watched “thriller” on the television and looked at porn mags (pretty normal, I think). Sometime after that, before my next birthday, my step dad woke me and my step siblings up (they were visiting for the summer) and said we were going to church. He was not a good man (as far as most people would judge) so this was crazy talk to us. We had no idea what was going on. He had no idea where we were going, just that we were going to church. We ended up going all the way through town and parked in the parking lot of a united pentecostal church. My mom knew what it was and told him that he probably didn’t know what he was getting into. Of course, because of the way this all happened, my mom and step dad felt it a sign from god and later I did too.

So, from about age 13 until about age 35, I was in religion in some way or another. Some time around age 24 or so I became fully vested in my desire to please “god” and went all in. My life went from knowing and practicing what was told to me as the truth to trying to find the truth for myself and studying to find that truth. I spent the next 10 – 11 years fasting often, praying three or more times everyday, looking at life through a different set of eyes than most will ever find. I would be considered a radical by most outside of the united pentecostal and considered a good god fearing man by those in the religion.

During my life living in religion of some sort or another, I experienced many things that would make most people never question their faith and indeed, I never did. I knew without any shadow of doubt that I was following god truly and that I was doing the best I could to do what he wanted me to do. Sometime around 24 I began studying the bible intently. I bought other books to help me get to the root of the scriptures so that I knew for sure that it was translated or transliterated correctly. I was constantly listening to god and trying to follow his voice (which I did, actually hear a voice). I kept discovering more and more things that the bible said we were supposed to be doing to please god that we were not doing. So I kept changing myself to further align my life in such a way that it was as he told me it was supposed to be.

During this time of introspection and change. I experienced miracles that most only hear about. I have prayed for someone and they were healed, instantly. I have prayed for help with a physical tool that I had lost but needed it to be able to do my job and it miraculously appeared (trust me, this is the skeptic speaking to a real memory. It happened and there are no explanations). I traveled from Quinlan Texas to Flathead Indian reservation in Montana without any money to pay for gas and we made it there and back because “god” provided. I prayed for many things and experienced many things that happened in my life that would keep most people under the veil of deceit that is woven by religion. All I can say is that I still know that those things happened. I know that they were real and that they can happen. However, I now know that they were not the god of my religion that made them happen but myself. My connection with the universe on a level that most will never experience because they don’t know it exist, is what brought these experiences to me. I am sure that these things are still possible and probably even more possible since I am not restricted to those religious rules and paradigms any longer.

So, fast forward through all of those experiences to a fateful day sometime in 2005 (I would be 35). I had been using this tool I found online for studying the bible easily. It made looking things up really easy and had any version of the bible as well as the greek and hebrew along with Strongs concordance and many other tools. You could pull them up and have multiple windows open side by side and see it all easily. I was using this tool to share some “inspiring” scriptures with some guy online. I go over this elsewhere in a post called, What were they thinking?, if you are interested. This was the initial clue that something was wrong and it led me down a path to discover that it was all wrong. From “What were they thinking?” the next step was a serious study on the very origins of christianity, jesus’ birth. I wanted to start from the beginning and verify that things were like I thought they were. That study took me less than 15 minutes to discover that I had been following a lie for the last 23 years of my life. I talk about that study and realization in the post “A Hard Question”.

Now, imagine if you will. You have lived you life in total, complete surrender to pleasing a god (or make it personal, make it a person you truly love) only to find out that that person is a complete lie. That that person doesn’t even exist as you thought they did. Now, continue your imagination journey and add in that you have experienced all of these wonders (as in, how are they possible.) and then also add to that that you made choices in your life that quite literally could have changed the course of history for the world (it’s possible for any one of us). You don’t go to college because you were told if you do you would back slide, become a heathen and end up in hell. You don’t enlist because of the same reason. You don’t experience friends, television, going to things that are fun, wearing clothes you want to wear, seeing people you want to see, marrying people you want to marry or find attractive, even though you are connected and a match, because they are not in your branch of religion or because you are already married or engaged to be married (Polyamory is a natural human behaviour, by the way) all because of the same reason. Your religion says you will be lost. You will displease your god (which I loved with my entire being and wanted to please).

Now, imagine yourself, seeing that everything you gave your life for for over 20 years is a lie. Tell me, how do you think you would feel?

I felt like my heart was literally torn from my chest. The pain washed over my body in waves, almost so unbearable I thought I would physically die from the pain. I cried and screamed in pain. I cried and pleaded with the god I thought I had been following and dedicating my life to to explain it all away. I have never had someone really close to me die but I can imagine that it was like having a loved one suddenly die, right before your eyes, with no justifiable reason. Like maybe being mugged on the way back from the grocery store to your car and your spouse of 20 plus years is killed right in front of you and that person just vanishes. I’m not sure, but I would think it was similar although I don’t think that would be as horrific as what I experienced as most people do not give their every waking hour to their spouse in thought and desire to please. Along with worship and adoration with undying unwavering dedication to do whatever they tell you to.

For the next few months I desperately tried to reconcile what I saw and I tried to make it work but the more I looked the clearer it became. It was all just lies. Lies on top of lies. Too many discrepancies to ignore the obvious for me. no one told me it was wrong. No one convinced me of the errors. I saw them myself, through study, by myself.

When it became obvious that there was no going back. No sky daddy to make things all better. No religion to soothe my pain. I began the initial stages of grief.  Each stage was real and took some time to go through (about five or six years, I would say). Lora and I both went through years of depression. We were numb for several months (maybe even more than a year. It is hard to remember that time.) Not knowing what to do, who we were or where we were going. it took years to be able to come out of the depression and we had no where to turn. At some point during the acceptance phase but still somewhat unbelieving that it actually happened. I started the group on Facebook called “Recovering Ex-Christians”. I didn’t know for sure but expected that there were others out there that had or would be going through something similar to what we were/had gone through. It wasn’t long until I realized I wasn’t alone.

Over the next few years we began to explore and discover who we are. Trying to figure out what life is all about (you know, that thing that most people do in their early years. Sometime between teen and 30.) Our journey has been full and rewarding. We are happier now than we have ever been and we know who we are. It took us longer than most but we are here. We are 40 plus year old 20 year olds. We are confident in ourselves and know what we want and our life experiences have given us an insight into life that many will never find. We are grateful for each day and we live each moment that we can in awareness that it is special and ours. We embrace life. This is your only life, you should live it and enjoy it for you. Fuck the world and it’s expectations. Only you are responsible for you. You be happy and do whatever that means, as long as it is not hurting others.  🙂

Because of the journey I took and the pain I experienced when I discovered it was all lies. I have shut out and boarded up that door in my life for the last 10 years. I now know that it is ok to open that door again and to get back in contact with the universe and experience that power again. My fears are that I will deceive myself or be deceived again, into believing or following after something that is restrictive or manipulative. I think and I hope that because of my life experiences that I will be more sensitive to that now and that I will hopefully steer clear of anything that might try to enslave me or strap my thoughts into a paradigm that keeps me from experiencing freedom.

I am finally to a place that I am willing to venture back out into the unexplained. The area of woowoo. That place where most just shake their heads and assume that it is all bullshit or crazy people talk. My goal is to stay grounded in reality while still experiencing a complete and true connection with the universe… with everything that is. Not a god, not a religion, not anyone’s ideas or teachings. No, never again. I have found my way to being a complete person. A person that I am proud to be. I value my life experiences and the journey I have taken to get where I am. It has made me who I am and I like who I am.

I hope that life has brought you to a place that you know who you are and that you are enjoying life, as best you can where you are with what you have. It is a state of mind. A state of mindfulness. An acceptance of what is and an expectation of what can and will be.

I believe and know that there is much more to our existence than our senses allow us to observe. I have experienced, first hand, things that are not explained away. I don’t care who (or if anyone) believes me when I talk about those things. I was there, they were real for me. I don’t need anyone to approve or accept them as real. 🙂

I know that I am connected to all things on some level. I don’t know to what extent or how that benefits or affects me but I know it to be factual for me. I look forward to my journey to the end of this timeline. I expect many things will happen and I look forward to the people and experiences I will have along the way. If you are a part of my life, I value you and appreciate that you are in my life. You are part of that connection to all things. Sometimes, I think that I feel you thinking about me. I wonder if you ever feel me thinking about you.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we could learn how to tap into and identify those “feelings”. To recognize when someone we care about is thinking about us. To realize it, return the feelings and just know that they know. 🙂

Thank you for reading. Thank you for your time. I wish you all the best. 🙂

To my Christian friends

To all of my Christian friends in the world (you know who you are). I may say things that may offend you, I am sorry ahead of time.

I would never say anything to offend you as a person so please don’t take it personally. My views of religion (christian and otherwise) may be somewhat extreme to most.

Having said that, I believe that my beliefs are based in and come from truth. I have no problem with you following your beliefs, it does not bother me and I do not think less of you in any way.

Please just understand that I do not and will not believe the same as you do. It is my journey that has brought me these understandings and beliefs. I accept you as you are, I would hope that you can do the same for me.

I am also willing and able to back every one of my beliefs with solid proof should I be asked. I try not to discuss religion with my friends because I want my friends to remain my friends and I understand that it may be hard for some to accept my views (even when presented with factual truth). Therefore I do not always share my views.

I also remember how hard it was for me when I discovered the truth and how it felt to have my world crumble around me. I do not wish this on anyone and that is why I refrain from voicing my views and beliefs.

If you ask me (about my beliefs) I will tell you but it will be reluctantly. I believe that faith in something, whatever it may be, whether it is true or false, is an integral part of the human condition and I do not want to falter anyone’s faith. I accept your faith and your belief, that doesn’t mean I agree.

So, please forgive me if I do say something that offends you, it is not my intention, ever.

If you want to know my religious views, peruse my blog, they are not what they once were.
I am not Atheist and I am not Religious. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. LOL

Problems with the Bible

If some one some where can explain why these discrepancies exist in the Bible and people can still tell you with a straight face that the Bible is the infallible word of God, I would like to hear it.

Quiz Show (Bible Contradictions)

It would be funny if it wasn’t true.

Is it true that the Qur’an is a Miracle?

Just so you do not think that I am purely anti-Christian, here is a bit of Anti-Muslim for you. The facts are that I am Anti-Religious. Any religion that is based on anything that has to do with the bible is based on lies. The Muslim religion is based on the bible to some degree. Therefore I have no respect for it, at all.

As you can see from this video, the Qur’an also has errors and discrepancies, just like the bible and the Torah do.

Therefore, I see no reason for any of these religions to be allowed to influence our society. They are deceptive and controlling and anti-human race. They all promote death, dishonorable actions, lying, murder, and many other immoral acts.

We can hope that through the information age, the human race will overcome all of these lies and rise above this crap to be all that we can be. Leave behind these lies to embrace the verifiable truth.

 


 

 

For a fuller rational analysis of the Qur’an see: محنتي مع القرآن

http://www.scribd.com/doc/30855635/My-Ordeal-with-the-Quran-ARABIC-محنتي-مع-القرآن

English version of “My Ordeal With the Qur’an” (Partial Translation):

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/docs/My_Ordeal_With_The_Quran/My_Ordeal_Wit…

Thank you to the members of the Council of Ex-Muslims who contributed with advice for this video – for more info. see:

http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/

Bertrand Russell on God (1959)

Nobel Prize-winning philosopher/mathematician, Bertrand Russell, explains why he does not believe in God

Rapture or Opression

The Rapture, as defined by my previous belief and also popularly held by the United Pentecostal Church.

The belief that at some undetermined time jesus will return and catch away his bride (like a thief in the night, when you are asleep and unprepared) to live with him for eternity in heaven. Leaving all of those who did not become saved during the time proceeding his arrival to fend for themselves amidst the tribulation times. At which time you will be forced to accept the mark of the beast if you want to live (you can not buy or sell without it). If you accept the mark of the beast you are damned, with no chance of redemption, to burn for an eternity in hell (a place prepared for Satan and the fallen angels). You will also endure all of the grievous plagues that are to be inflicted on the unfaithful and those who accepted the mark as will the beast himself. When one is Raptured, they will fly or float up into the heavens leaving behind their mortal body to be replaced with a new heavenly body that is neither male nor female. It can not ever be afflicted in any way, even age does not affect you. You do not need to eat or sleep and have no need for money.

How can I be included in the Rapture?
You must be saved.

How does one get saved?
You must repent of your sins and be baptized in the name of jesus christ for the remission of your sins and be filled with the Holyghost. This is what is known as being born again.

Can I be lost after I am saved?
Yes. Sin can not enter into the kingdom of heaven. If you have sinned, that sin is with you unless you have repented of that sin.

What is a sin?
Anything unholy or evil. Basically everything that doesn’t have anything to do with God’s holy nature. But you have to leave out all of the incest, murder, stealing, rape, favoritism, glory seeking, lying ways of God. Those don’t count. Only the “good” things count.

What does it mean to repent?
One must turn away from the sin and never do it again. If you ever repeat a sin then you did not repent.

What does it mean to be baptized?
You must have someone that is saved (filled with the “holyghost”) after you have repented and only then, dunk you under water and say the words “I now baptize you in the NAME of Jesus” (Father, Son and Holyghost will not suffice). This is baptism the “correct” way.

What is receiving the Holyghost?
The proper way to receive the holyghost is after you have repented and been baptized the proper way you open up your heart and mind and let the spirit of god flood through your soul. When this happens you will hear strange sounds and words in your mind. This is the holyghost wanting to speak through you. You must submit yourself completely to the holyghost and release your tongue and allow it to talk through you. This is known as speaking in tongues. You do not have the holyghost until you speak in tongues. Speaking in tongues is the biblical evidence that you have received the holyghost.
You are not saved until all of these things are completed and then it is only while you are a good boy or girl. If you sin, you must do it all over again (accept you don’t have to be baptized). You know, repent, get the holyghost evidenced by speaking in other tongues.

From age 13 until about age 35 or 36 I believed this with all of my being. I didn’t receive the holyghost until I was around maybe 28. I lived from the age of 13 to 28 +- in fear that the rapture was about to take place and I would be left behind. I actually lied to fellow members of the church and told them that I had gotten the holyghost sometime around 20 because if you don’t have the holyghost, when the sermon ends they will have an alter call and you are expected to go to the alter. Otherwise, they will bring you to the alter and try to pray you through to the holyghost, for your own good of course. I have spent countless hours with my hands raised in the air trying to “find” god and “get” the holyghost so that I would not be lost for eternity. I have had my hands raised for so long that all feeling was gone and someone is on either side of me holding them up for me, praying to get the holyghost. So tired from standing and praying that I can barely talk. You want to talk about abuse, there you go.

I lived in fear that at any moment god would come back and that little thought I had or my last “private moment” would get me left behind. Can you imagine a male teenager with urges, desires and needs believing that all of those things are wrong, evil, unnatural and sinful. Yep, quite a mind fuck. Girlfriends are a no no, you might sin. Thinking it is the same as doing it so if you think it you have to repent just as if you actually did it.

I can distinctly remember my wife and I (fiance at the time) talking about the rapture and that it would probably happen before we could even get married (almost 22 years ago). I remember dream after dream of being left behind and hiding from the evil mark of the beast people (those who accepted the mark) and trying to find food or trying to keep from getting caught.

Did that fear stop once I was saved? Nope, because sure enough, there would be a day once in a while that I would do something that was considered a sin and that would put me in jeopardy of being left behind yet again. You know what the most messed up part of the whole thing was, the fear of being left behind and hell wasn’t even my driving factor. It was disappointing the almighty loving and benevolent god that saw my poor state and sacrificed himself on the cross for my sins. Wasn’t he so thoughtful and nice?!

Some would probably say that I have a bad attitude towards the christian faith, they would probably be correct. It took the best years of my life away from me. I will never get those back. It is now my goal, my purpose in life (not entirely though) to expose all for that crap for what it is. Lies. Lie upon lie to enslave people into submission of one form or another. That is all it is.

Sorry for that bit of bile dripping from my mouth. Let me just wipe that off, there, that’s better.

Not exactly what I posted before but with the combination of FB loosing my post and me thinking about it a little it got me riled a little. lol

The Unexplained

I think that there is a dimension of our existence that is yet to be completely discovered or explained and just because we do not have an explanation does not mean that it is god or has anything to do with god or the god belief.

Who’s to say where our energy goes when we die? No one truly knows yet. It doesn’t matter how much a christian asserts there belief in where it goes or how much an Atheist asserts that it goes no where. the fact remains, no one knows for sure.

When the energy that exists in all living things can be measured and tracked, we’ll be closer to having our answers.

I believe that it is possible that she may have saw something. You can not disprove it and she can not prove it. Whether or not it was real or imagined (only in her brain) really does not detract from the experience that she had.

I wish more people wanted real answers to experiences of this nature rather than just believing it is something supernatural and dropping it. If there were research into these types of things I believe we could find the answer some day.

I’ll give you some examples of things that have personally happened to me that can not be explained.
1. Laying asleep in bed with my back to our door, my wife walks into our room in the dark. I can see her plain as day (even though my head is turned the other way and my back is towards her) walking towards me and when she is about at my butt I reach out and point to her and say I see you. I actually touch her leg with my pointing finger. This happens in my sleep. She, of course, about shites herself because she can barely see anything and thinks that I am asleep (and I am). All of this transpires in a dream like vision in my mind and I don’t even know it is really happening until she screams and wakes me up.

2. When I used to drive a truck years ago I have had this happen many, many times. I would be waiting for an unload (which could be hours, no definite time) and would be sleeping. Moments (about a minute sometimes three) before they would come to knock on my door, I would wake up, sit up in bed and look out through the curtain to see them walking up to knock on my door to let me know they were ready for me.

3. Someone I haven’t talked to in years and suddenly I think of them, they could be an hour away or 20 hours away, and while I am thinking of them the phone rings and it is them. I wasn’t expecting the call, hadn’t talked to them or thought about them and then, just like that.

4. On two distinct occasions I have been in a group setting when someone was asking a question to the group. In my mind I thought the answer and one time they said thank you for the answer and the other said the question wasn’t for me to answer (this one someone was sitting right beside me and knew I hadn’t even made a sound, she was puzzled and I was baffled. I said I hadn’t said anything and she, the person asking the question, said she thought she heard me say … blah blah…).

Simply discounting these things as tricks of the mind is just as useless and unproductive as the christians or anyone saying it was god or supernatural. Why not find out for sure, see the data, quantify it.

Just as we now know that light has a quantifiable speed, that the earth revolves around the sun, that quarks are smaller than atoms, that currently we know there are 118 chemical elements, etc..
there was a time that we did not know these things and they would have been just as foreign 2000 years ago to us as these unexplained things are to us today. This does not make them unreal or supernatural, just, unexplained.

That’s my opinion anyway.

A Hard Question.

I used to be like you. So disillusioned. So sure of what I believed. So sure of God, etc. .
Thank God he showed me the truth, that the bible is a lie. No, seriously, I believe that with all of my heart (that “God” showed me the truth that is.)

Of course my view of God has drastically changed to the point that most Christians would say that I am closer to being an Atheist (even though I am not).

However, that is something I don’t need to get into to get my point across. You are welcome to read more elsewhere in my blog.

Let me start with an assumption and you tell me whether or not this is correct. You believe that the bible is true and your belief in the bible dictates your course of belief in that it frames your belief and your resulting practice of your religion.

With that, I would like to produce for your examination some discrepancies that I have personally found in the bible. If you are true to yourself, you will at least be willing to research to determine whether there is any truth to what I say.

Let me start with laying some ground work, so to speak.

Now this is something that someone else has said and they do not have supporting documentation to prove what they say (which should be available if you are so inclined to look). So, this is not for trying to prove a fact but more for setting the stage. Regardless of whether any of this is factual, it leads to the possible thought of the day during the time that “Jesus” was supposed to be walking our planet. With this in mind, I will present my question so please indulge me by reading the following first.

Taken from this site -> http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/jesus.html
Mithraism, a religion derived from Zoroastrism, was very popular in Rome at the same time that Christianity was spreading. Mithras was believed to be the son of the sun, sent to the earth to rescue humankind. Two centuries before the appearance of Jesus, the myth of Mithras held that Mithras was born of a virgin on December 25 in a cave, and his birth was attended by shepherds. Mithras sacrificed himself and the last day had a supper with twelve of his followers. At that supper Mithras invited his followes to eat his body and drink his blood. He was buried in a tomb and after three days rose again. Mithras’ festival coincided with the Christian Easter. This legend dates from at least one century before Jesus. It was absorbed in the Roman dogma. Jesus’ attitude often resembles the legendary greek philospher Socrates (eg, the way he refuses to respond to Pilate).
The Egyptian god Osiris was also born on the 25th of December, died on a friday and resurrected after spending three days in the underworld.
The Roman god Dionysus was hailed as `The Saviour of Mankind’ and `The Son of God’. Dionysus was born (on December 25) when Zeus visited Persephone. Therefore, his father is God and his mother is a mortal virgin. Announced by a star, he is born in a cowshed and visited by three Magis. He turns water into wine and raises people from the dead. He is followed by twelve apostles. Dionysus’ resurrection was a popular myth throughout the Roman empire, although his name was different in each country. The rituals in honor of Dionysus included a meal of bread and wine, symbolizing his body and blood. An amulet of the 3rd century has been found that depicts a crucified man (unmistakably Jesus) but bears the inscription “Orpheus Bacchus”, which was yet another name for Dionysus. The 5th century Egyptian poet Nonnus wrote two long epic poems in Greek, one on the conquest of the world by Dionysus, and the other a verse paraphrase of one of the Christian gospels. Unfortunately, we know little of the Dionysus’ faith because in 396 a mob of fanatical Christians destroyed the sanctuary of Eleusis, likely to have been the largest religious center in the world. We only know that the rituals were very popular and lasted several days.
The early Christians revered Dionysus’s birthday as Jesus’s birthday (Christmas) and the three-day Spring festival of Dionysus roughly coincides with Easter. Jews had their own version of this festival (the “therapeutae”) since at least the year 10 (it is reported by Philo of Alexandria), which is 23 years before the crucifixion of Jesus (Armenians still celebrate the birthday of Jesus on january 6).
(The most credible theory of why the Christians of the third century chose the 25th of december as Jesus’ birthday instead of the first of january is that the 25th of december was already a major holiday, a festival called “Dies Natalis Solis Invicti” instituted before 220 AD).
Jesus lived right at the beginning of the Roman empire. The first emperor, “Augustus”, had the title of “saviour of the human race”. The legend was that Augustus had been born nine months after his mother was “visited” by the god Apollo. The greatest Roman poet of all time, Virgil, had foretold in 40BC that a king would be born of a virgin. It was false, but it was widely believed by ordinary Romans that, in the year of Augustus’ birth, the Roman senate had ordered the murder of all other children.
Pre-existing legends and current events influenced the way the official gospels were selected and doctored. Some scholars have even suggested the entire history of Jesus is a myth, based on pre-existing myths that were assembled by “gnostic” jews.
The official gospels were carefully chosen and edited to reflect a view acceptable to the Roman authorities and audience. For example, the official gospels blamed the Jews for killing Jesus, even if, of course, it was the Romans who killed him (for sedition). The earliest account of the life of Jesus, St Mark’s gospel, was written during the Jewish rebellion of 66. It was not a time to claim that Jesus was a Jewish revolutionary. Jesus, in fact, is presented as a victim of the Jews.

By the way, to help you discover the truth, I suggest you download this free bible tool that makes it super easy to find anything at all in the bible. -> http://www.e-sword.net

OK, now my question which will be presented in the form of scriptures first for reference and study, then the question.

(Mat 1:22)  Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,(Mat 1:23)  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

So from the above scripture we can see that they are saying that Jesus birth was a prophecy that was being fulfilled. So where was this prophecy? According to this bible that I dug out from underneath about an inch of dust, it originates from a prophecy in Isaiah 7:14. So, let’s look at that prophecy.

(Isa 7:14)  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Great so far so good. That is if you leave out all context of this verse. Let’s see the whole story before we decide whether or not this should be matched up with the “fulfilled prophecy” of Jesus’ “recorded” birth.

Isa 7:1-25  And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it.  (2)  And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.  (3)  Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller’s field;  (4)  And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah.  (5)  Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying,  (6)  Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal:  (7)  Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass.  (8)  For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.  (9)  And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah’s son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.  (10)  Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying,  (11)  Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above.  (12)  But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD.  (13)  And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?  (14)  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.  (15)  Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.  (16)  For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.  (17)  The LORD shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father’s house, days that have not come, from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.  (18)  And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria.  (19)  And they shall come, and shall rest all of them in the desolate valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all thorns, and upon all bushes.  (20)  In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.  (21)  And it shall come to pass in that day, that a man shall nourish a young cow, and two sheep;  (22)  And it shall come to pass, for the abundance of milk that they shall give he shall eat butter: for butter and honey shall every one eat that is left in the land.  (23)  And it shall come to pass in that day, that every place shall be, where there were a thousand vines at a thousand silverlings, it shall even be for briers and thorns.  (24)  With arrows and with bows shall men come thither; because all the land shall become briers and thorns.  (25)  And on all hills that shall be digged with the mattock, there shall not come thither the fear of briers and thorns: but it shall be for the sending forth of oxen, and for the treading of lesser cattle.

Yeah, I know that is a long read but if you want to get the true context of this “prophecy” you need to read what comes before and after that one verse. I want to point out one very important part of this bit of text. Notice that the writer of this text is very specific about when this prophecy will be fulfilled. He doesn’t give some ambiguous day in the future so as to leave it open to “interpretation”, no, he tells you flat out. Verse (16) For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. Being that the current kings in the land that thou abhorrest will no longer be there, it kind of ties this prophecy of a “virgin” birthed “saviour” down to what ever the expected lifetime of people were in those days at most.

Say 70 years, of course this is an arbitrary number not really based in reality for life longevity of those times but I am trying to be as helpful as I can to try and make this prophecy work for Jesus’ birth. Unfortunately, it just doesn’t work. I am no time scholar for bible time lines but I do know that there was at least 400 years of time between when Jesus was supposed to be born and when the last prophet went around prophecying. So it had to be at least greater than 400 years of time passage since this prophecy had been brought forth and it was tied to a timeline so that it was supposed to transpire in not more than 70 years (again, my arbitrary number, not really factual).

Also, the prophecy was that the land that though abhorrest shall be forsaken of her kings. This could mean that they ran away, died, or who knows but the main part of it means that the kings will be gone.

Earlier in this passage you should have also noticed that the writer actually gives a number, a specific time frame “and within threescore and five years”. What is that, like 65 years or something, It has been too long since I have discovered the fallacy of the bible that I do not remember exactly what that comes up to in our present day english.

So, this is just one tidbit of information for you to chew on for a little while. No response needed. I am not asking any questions and no explanation is needed or required. Certainly you are welcome to your opinion and you are welcome to respond but the facts are stacked against the bible by the bible itself in so many passages and ways that you really do not stand a chance in trying to defend it with logic, truth, or sound research. The only way you can possibly defend the bible is to fall back on blind faith and denial to the truth and facts.

Believe it or not, you can live a moral life with love, kindness and respect for your fellow man without “God” or the bible. The answers you seek are within and have been all along. Even though you thought you already had the answers. Be free my fellow human. 🙂

Now the question. Will you accept the truth even if it turns out that everything you have believed in was based on a lie?

Nonbelief & Peek-A-Boo…

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